Four Corners Guides Bikepacking, Packrafting & Bikerafting FAQs
Frequently Asked Questions & What to Expect on Our Multi-Sport Adventure Tours
Please note. There is no public wifi at the Ranch. Plan to unplug, and please do not ask to login. We can and will connect you with loved ones in case of an emergency.
Most cycling guide services currently offer fully-supported trips (support vehicles, shuttles to the top, etc). Our self-supported, low-impact bikepacking and packrafting trips are geared toward that subset of adventurers who prefer human-powered adventures, where they have a limited impact on the environment and a low-carbon footprint. While we will be shuttling you to and from the take out and put in points and, at times, we may shuttle food and water to resupply stations along the routes, especially during seasons when water is scarce, our goal with everything we do is to do more adventure with less stuff. We hope you can take what you learn back to your “normal” life. We also seek to show you less crowded corners of the Four Corners region. Popular Four Corners destinations like Moab and Durango are busy. You can’t go anywhere even in the backcountry without seeing people. We cater to those of you who don’t mind suffering a bit in order to find more solitude. The terrain in the Four Corners is complicated, remote and rugged. We believe if we give you a safe, but difficult and engaging extraordinary experience, we may change your life and enhance your reverence for and understanding of this landscape. If we missed any bikepacking, packrafting, or bikerafting FAQs, feel free to email us.
How much do courses & tours costs?
Our multi-day adventures with two+ people cost $395 per day and include all packaged food (dehydrated breakfast, snacks, coffee/tea, cheese, packaged tuna/chicken, avocados, electrolytes, dehydrated dinner), shuttling, hand sanitizer & toilet kit. Half- and single-day tours do not include any of these things. If we meet you the afternoon or evening before, we consider that a half day.
Bikeraft and packraft tours include an open Alpacka Classic, PFD, paddle and helmet. We do not offer whitewater boats at this time, as anyone taking an advanced whitewater class should have her/his own boat. You will not get a discount if you have your own gear. We offer gear as a courtesy. We rent bike bags and camping equipment.
In order to book your course, we require you to pay one-half the total upon receipt of confirmation of scheduling of your tour. Full payment is due a minimum of 30 days prior to your trip. These rates are for two or more people. If you’d like a personalized experience with Doom, the cost is more. Email us for details.
- Half day (4 hours): $225 (food not included)
- 3/4 day (6 hours): $325 (food not included)
- Full day (8+ hours): $395 (lunch, snacks, dehydrated dinner included)
- Two days: $790
- Two+ days: $975
- Three days: $1175
- Three+ days: $1350
- Four days: $1550
- Four+ days: $1750
- Five days: $1950
- Six days: $2300
- Private, One-Person Course: $450 per day
- Kids under 10 30% Off
Do you provide shuttles?
Yes. Shuttle services are available to/from the airport – $55 Cortez one way (1 hour to Ranch) and $95 Durango one way (1.5 hours to Ranch)
What seasons do you operate?
Typically late March through early November, weather and permitting dependent.
How often do you inspect your gear?
We inspect and maintain if necessary all our packrafts, PFDs, and paddles after each course.
Does my tour come with a stay at Scullbinder Ranch?
No. Overnight stays at Scullbinder Ranch are not included with any courses unless you purchase a multi-day package that specifies meals. However, any person doing a tour at the Ranch may stay on site. It costs $35 to pitch a tent and use the Main House (formerly “Barn”) bathrooms. Or, stay in a comfy, memory foam mattress bed with bedding in one of our shared Glamping Tents or in the Scullbinder River Cabin. It’s $75 per bed in a shared tent, $125 per private glamping tent and $175 for the cabin for two people (plus $50 per each additional person). Breakfast included. Please note other meals are not included. Email us for details. Check in is after 3. Check out is 11a.m.
Are meals included if I stay at Scullbinder Ranch?
Breakfast is included if you rent a glamping tent or the cabin. Other meals are not included unless specified as part of a multi-day package. If you are staying at the Ranch and you want food, plan on $10 for lunch and $20 for dinner, adult beverages not included.
Do We Offer Discounts?
Yes. We offer 10% off groups of 12 or more and for Corporate Adventure Retreats. If you are a healthcare worker who worked directly with covid patients, please let us know as we’d be happy to offer you a discount of 10%.
How many people can you accomodate?
We have beds/cots for 14, so bigger groups will have to also pitch tents. We can only take up to 16 bikerafting or packrafting at a time (with two people in two-person boats). We can take bigger groups on bike tours into the Ute Mountain Ute Tribal Park only. Or we can split large groups into two separate, smaller courses. For more information, visit the Corporate Retreats page.
Do you rent gear?
We no longer rent drysuits. Bikeraft and packraft tours include an open Alpacka Classic, PFD, paddle and helmet. We do not offer whitewater boats at this time, as anyone taking an advanced whitewater class should have her/his own boat. You will not get a discount if you have your own gear. We offer gear as a courtesy.
- Bikepacking bag rentals: $15 per day
- Tent rental: $10 per day
- Sleeping bag, pad & pillow rental: $20 per day
- We only rent to guests on our courses. Sorry no outside rentals available.
IMPORTANT: What skills and fitness level do I need to do a multi-day tour?
Our multi-day courses are *NOT* for people with zero experience in the backcountry. We do not prepare food for you, set up your tent, teach you how to use camping gear, or cater to your every need. Our goal with our guide service is to provide you with additional skills and tools to accentuate your already-existing backcountry skills and to help you realize you can travel with less in the backcountry (and in life). Please do not expect a standard big boat river trip with large kitchens, tons of beer, etc. Our courses are low-impact, lightweight adventures where we carry everything we need from start to finish. Our courses are not easy. They will challenge you mentally and physically. We don’t want to scare you away from doing one of our courses, but we want you to be realistic about your abilities. In general, you must have basic backcountry skills and a level of fitness that allows you to:
- Bike from 10-30 miles per day; OR
- Packraft at least six miles of flatwater per day; OR
- Paddle up to 15 miles on a river per day; OR
- Hike five-15 miles per day; OR
- Do a combination of all these things in one day.
If you have little backcountry experience, but still want to do a trip with us, consider taking a day packrafting intro course. You do not need to have packrafting experience to do our half-or one-day packrafting adventures. And, you just need basic mountain biking skills to do our half or one-day bikerafting courses.
Do I need to sign a waiver?
Yes and no. If you sign up for a tour exclusively in either Glen Canyon National Recreation Area (including the Dirty Devil River or Lake Powell) or the Manti-La Sal National Forest, Four Corners Guides is not allowed to ask guests to sign a standard waiver. Instead, those two entities ask that our guests sign a “Visitor’s Statement of Acknowledgement of Risk.” For all other tours, we require you to sign our “Acknowledgement of Risk, Waiver of Liability, & Indemnification Agreement.” If guests sign up for courses that cross into both of these territories (unlikely), you may have to sign both the Statement of Acknowledgement of Risk and our standard legal waiver.
How do I deal with my garbage?
You will carry all your garbage out, including your toilet paper, baby wipes, extra food scraps and sometimes your poop. We will recycle as much as we can post course. We likely won’t be washing dishes, as we’re exclusively using dehydrated foods. But, if you do end up using pots or dirty your cup with oatmeal, for example, you must wash these items no less than 300 feet from any water source, using biodegradable soap, and burying the waste water at least 6 inches deep.
Do you recycle?
We aspire to run a low-waste business (with the exception of wag bags, which we will have to use at times). We currently utilize dehydrated foods in pre-packaged bags, but we are in search of a company that will provide us with bulk dehydrated food and a company that has a good solution for reusable backcountry food bags. We currently are able to recycle all packaging for energy drinks, bars, and Gus (through GU’s Terracycle program). We recycle all plastic bottles and cans that are brought on trips.
Can I bathe on multi-day tours?
Yes, but all body washing will be done with biodegradable soaps no less than 200 feet from any water source.
To avoid getting sick or spreading illness, we encourage guests to regularly utilize hand sanitizer after going to the bathroom and regularly throughout the day before meals. Additionally, we are adhering to strict Covid Policies & Procedures.
What do I do with my poop in the backcountry?
We follow strict principles of leaving nothing behind. When camping in group sites we will use pit toilets when provided. On all dispersed backcountry bikepacking and packrafting trips, guests must dig six-inch deep cat holes no less than 300 feet away from any water source, campsite or trail, unless regulated otherwise, in which case approved wag bags will be used and all solid (fecal) matter will be carried out. On the river we will follow all regulations regarding human waste. I.e. we will use wag bags and hard-sided containers. No guest or guide will ever burn toilet paper or garbage. All toilet paper and hygiene products will be packed out.
Can I connect to the outside world?
No. There no public Wifi at the Ranch, and you will not get cell reception. We have an Inreach device and very limited Wifi for emergency use only. If you need wifi, you’ll have to drive to town, which is half hour away. One of our goals at Four Corners Guides is to provide guests, staff and ourselves with the opportunity to unplug from the outside world. We strictly adhere to this policy.
Who can go on an FCG tour?
Anyone who already has backcountry skills can do one of our courses. You must be able set up your own tent, cook for yourself in the backcountry, understand the types of clothing you need to stay safe, warm and dry in a desert or mountain environment, and, in general, you must understand how to comport yourself in the wilderness. You also must have a reasonable level of fitness. And if you are doing a course that involves bicycles, you must know how to ride a bicycle.
We are able to do make some accommodations to do guided trips with people with disabilities, but all guests must still have basic backcountry camping skills. Please email us to discuss.
The only exception to these rules is if you want to spend a half or day packrafting. Then, you only need a basic level of fitness.
What food/drink do you provide on your multi-day tours?
We provide all the food you need when you’re in the backcountry, including dehydrated meals and packaged foods for lunches and snacks. We’ll also provide some fresh foods, such as apples and avocados. We are unable to prepare or carry fresh foods such as sandwiches due to food handling requirements that we can’t meet because we travel with such minimal weight (i.e. we can’t carry coolers).
Can I use/take electronics with me?
We highly recommend that you take this opportunity to unplug and play hard. You may want to take photos, of course, but most of the places we visit will not have cell reception. Be prepared to disconnect. In case of emergencies, your guides will have an In-Reach device.
What’s the minimum number of people needed to do a tour?
We may book a course with a minimum of two people. However, we reserve the right to add additional people to those small courses if all have similar abilities, skills and fitness levels. Our margins are tight. We don’t make money on courses with only two people. If you wish to have a private, one- or two-person course, please let us know in advance, as the price is higher.
I found an arrowhead! May I take it?
Absolutely not. All ruins, petroglyphs and pictographs are considered by Four Corners Guides to be “do not touch or take anything” areas. You must leave all artifacts exactly where you found them. Human contact can and does degrade these artifacts, structures and paints used to make the pictographs found in these sensitive areas. All Four Corners Guides guests must sign our “Antiquities Agreement” in advance of your tour. If we catch you stealing artifacts or defacing ancient ruins, petroglyphs or pictographs, we will not hesitate to report you to the authorities, remove you from the trip (at your expense) and ban from all future FCG tours. We have a zero tolerance policy in regards to taking, stealing or defacing antiquities. There will be times, such as on our Ute Mountain Ute Tribal Park Tours, that you may be able to pick up and photograph pottery shards and other items, with permission from the Ute Mountain Ute guides.
Can my kids do an overnight tour?
It totally depends on how skilled your child is in the backcountry and how much experience s/he has riding bicycles. Can she set up her own tent? Can he carry a 30-pound backpack? Can she ride at least six miles on a laden bicycle? Is he comfortable and uncomplaining if he sometimes get cold and wet? If your child has, for example, easily mountain biked 20+ miles in a day or done a triathlon, we’ll assume she can do one of our moderate tours. However, we’ll assess each child’s ability after talking with his parents.
Where does FCG have permits?
We have been approved to run backpacking-packrafting and bikerafting tours in:
- Colorado’s Tres Rios Bureau of Land Management area, specifically the Dolores River Corridor.
- Colorado’s San Juan National Forest, including on McPhee Reservoir and over various dirt roads in the National Forest, the single track of Boggy Draw and the single track of the McPhee Overlook Trail.
- We can run backpacking trips from Mancos, Colo., over Weber Mountain to Scullbinder Ranch.
- We have permits to run bikepacking trips in Utah’s Manti-La Sal National Forest and the Beef Basin/Bridger Jack area.
- As well, we have permits to do bikerafting trips in Glen Canyon National Recreation Area on Lake Powell.
- And we are permitted to run trips on the Animas River.
- The Dirty Devil from Poison Springs on BLM lands (managed by the Henry Mountains office), all the way down to the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area.
- As well, we will have permits for the San Miguel and lower Dolores Rivers, along with the Rim Rocker Trail (managed by the BLM, Uncompahgre office).
- In addition, we will have extended permits in the San Juan National Forest and the Dolores River above the town of Dolores.
What safety precautions does Four Corners Guides take to keep me safe while on tour?
All our guides have Swiftwater Safety Certification and are certified Wilderness First Responders. Head Guide Steve Fassbinder has additional swiftwater and Kayak Instruction training. Guides will always bring a comprehensive first aid kit(s), appropriate for the length of trip and number of people. We have a Comprehensive Risk Management Plan that includes an Emergency Evacuation Plan. Plus, our guides will teach you about and regularly remind you to consider the following hazards:
- Heatstroke and dehydration can easily shut down your tour and ruin your experience. We encourage you and will remind you to both bring and drink plenty of water, to eat snacks throughout the day, and to wear hats and sunscreen to minimize sun exposure. We will make plenty of water available to you, and our water sources will be scouted in advance.
- You may also experience dramatic weather events. For this reason, we require that you bring sufficient warm, synthetic or wool clothing and waterproof rain layers.
- Rattle snake bites are rare, but can happen.
- You will be traveling over rough, uneven terrain; roots, rocks and sand are inherent to biking and hiking to and from the water’s edge to camp. You must always wear helmets (and gloves season/weather dependent) while riding.
- For all packrafting and bikerafting courses, you must respect the power of both flat and running water. Strainers, rocks and swims in cold rivers can make your trip go bad quickly, as can swims in cold lakes due to powerful winds tipping boats over. You must always wear your PFD on the water, a helmet if there are rapids, and weather/season dependent, a dry or wet suit.